Yes indeed. Moel Fferna is certainly better. The same stunning ceilings in huge chambers, plus more workings remain in there too, so better for photography.

Doug suggested and we agreed that the roof formation is the result of faulting. where the overlying rock has slipped creating these grooves. Mind boggling to think just how much rock has moved!

That sort of horizontal movement is very rare - in fact I can't think of anything like it elsewhere. Natural force cannot grip one layer of rock and slide against another horizontally. The only situation where this could happen is in a major plat collision - such as have recently formed the Hymalayas, when India detached from S Africa and crashed into S Asia. If the folding was also created by friction then you would see the effects of localised metamorphasis.

Had a wander up here today, and seems some oxygen wasting scrote pinched the wheels of the yellow wagon, looks like a grinder was used. Was it rolling on the rails and chained to them when you were there Tony?

I'll chuck up what pictures I could get (Nerfed tripod head=bad pictures) when I can process them.

It was definetely there last time I went up there about a month ago.

it was there end of march.

What was the history Ali? Obviously is not old. I heard it was used by whoever removed (stole?) the old tub from Gas bag several years ago? Would love to know who thought that removing the original artifact and leaving a nasty piece of yellow litter in there thought that was a good idea. grrrr.

I am trying to narrow down when they were taken. Apparently, they were off 2 weeks ago, but I didn't see anything said about it. We'll see.

History - No Idea. A lot of people think it's a coal wagon. I haven't been exploring long enough to know about the removal of the tub from the gas chamber (which in and of itself, is just fine, it's just the manway top-right of the chamber that needs to be avoided). The survival of working winches in there is nice, and I would not want to see them disappear.

I can't see any other reason for them being nicked other than someone into railways, or on their behalf. There is a lot of cross-over with mine exploring and Railways with a lot of blokes being into both, so if someone goes around offering these, we may get to hear about it.

well if it makes it harder for it to be used to remove (steal) any other genuine artefacts then maybe its no bad thing.

Could they have been removed to hinder any other attempts to remove stuff from there?

I can think of easier ways to do that (Plenty of slate to put in the way of things, and would be far more effort to remove).

Tony - Were the wheels on when you were in a few days ago?

No weren't on when I was there on Tuesday.

What a tragic event!
However, if I recall correctly when I was there with engineer Richard he quickly pointed out that this trolley is a bit of a botch up. It has been cut down to fit this short section of track. It is not original to this location. It is also relatively new compared to the other remaining ferrous artefacts.

I suggest that the people who built it decided that they needed the wheels for another project and they came up and took them off the easiest way. I can't believe people came all the way up to the mine with a power grinder to pinch the wheels for scrap.

Who knows that it was not Marty?

doubt it - he's given up M.E.ing

Whats always amazed me is why no-one ever questioned the scum who cobbled it together and used it to remove (steal) the original tub from gasbag and then felt it was ok to leave their litter in there.

Thats someone i'd really like to know the name of - maybe they wanted there wheels back?

A couple of shots of the trip on the 8th June 2017 (General Election day - I fooked off underground instead)



Ian